Posts by Had Enough

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Two lies more from the Society

by ServetMiguel in

i suggest when the society quotes somebody, we should confirm that they are usin the quotation in its context because the society is a master in deceiving and taking out of context everything.

here you are another three lies more.

watchtower 15/5/1983 page 6.

Had Enough

Pork Chop:

You're way out of date on the earthquake thing. They gave up on that some time ago.

Yes I've read recent JW articles that now say that the Bible prophecies do not say that there would be an increase in earthquakes, but that their effect would be felt moreso...or words to that effect. (which btw..did the WTS recently come right out and say...we now have new light...its not that increasing earthquakes would indicate we are in the last days, but now new light shows us that it would be the effect of......blah, blah.??) So yes the info is outdated.....

However, it is still good to have the incriminating evidence of the WTS's manipulations of quotations that were, and still are, purposely used to deceive the reader into thinking that even some "worldly" authority agrees with the WTS's knowledge which of course only they (the GB) are privy to having been blessed by god to be the one and only chosen source to understand Bible prophecies.

ServetMiguel:

If you cannot post scans of the letters you received from the real authors of these quotations, I'd be happy to receive copies of them in my email. Thank you for your offer.

Had Enough

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August KM Fall Out

by writerpen in

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i'm curious to know if anyone has noticed different behavior from their dub family and friends since the aug. km about disfellowshipped ones.

i've noticed that my mother is no longer emailing me, nor is she responding to my emails.

i really wish that she would just come out directly and state that she will no longer talk to me instead of just ignoring everything, thinking i will go away.

Had Enough

Excellent idea Expat!!! I second the motion.

Had Enough

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August KM Fall Out

by writerpen in

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friends

i'm curious to know if anyone has noticed different behavior from their dub family and friends since the aug. km about disfellowshipped ones.

i've noticed that my mother is no longer emailing me, nor is she responding to my emails.

i really wish that she would just come out directly and state that she will no longer talk to me instead of just ignoring everything, thinking i will go away.

Had Enough

GermanJW:

Thank you for posting this little tidbit about how Germany PR is handling this subject:

German PR Speaker Bernd Klar even appeared on a local TV station stating that "If I said today that I didn't want to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, nothing at all would happen to me. My brothers would speak to me, they would come along and ask why I don't want to be a JW anymore."

My son said only that he did not want to be one of JW's anymore and the elders announced at the next meeting that he had da'd himself...no letter was written by my son though. Nice to see the "JW worldwide unity in thought and word" is intact. <------ sarcasm to the max.

I sure wish this PR speaker's statement was in writing somewhere. I would love to wave that under some noses around here.

twain30:

I'm disappointed that you said that no private information from the GB allowing softened attitudes by elders, was given to the elders, that you know of. I was hoping to be able to get ahold of something in print that showed otherwise. That too is something I would like to wave under some noses since my son's elder/father has only spoken to him a few times at funerals for the last several years.

My heart goes out to all who are suffering family split-ups under the WTS rules. The more this and other policies that the WTS lies about, are made known to the public, the more their numbers of new recruits and members will dwindle. That will hit the WTS where it hurts most---their pocketbook and their pride.

Had Enough

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Two lies more from the Society

by ServetMiguel in

i suggest when the society quotes somebody, we should confirm that they are usin the quotation in its context because the society is a master in deceiving and taking out of context everything.

here you are another three lies more.

watchtower 15/5/1983 page 6.

Had Enough

Hello ServetMiquel:

Welcome to the board and thank you for your excellent detective work!!!

Is it possible to provide us with scans of these letters replying to your requests?

Scanned copies would be very helpful for those of us collecting proof of the WTS's deceitful practices of mis-using "selective quotations" as false agreement with their teachings. It will also be of help to any JWs who are reading this information here, to see the true side of the WTS.

Thanks again.

Had Enough

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CNN show viewed as Persecution by JW

by JT in

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i was telling the guys this morning here a work about the cnn show and how in the mind of jw all this public attention for so many of them is often viewed as bible prophecy being fulfilled in their behalf.

i dare say that in a typical congo of 120 publishers only 4or 5 if that will stop and consider what all this means.

so one of the guys asked how is that possible with all this stuff going on.i explained to him he needs to understand the indoctrination process for the avg jw.

Had Enough

Along these same lines of JW double-think....I heard a prime example of this the other day, only in the context of 'proof of Jah's blessing' instead of persecution.

Obviously JWs are getting some flack from householders about the WTS. The JW commented that, in the service they are hearing people criticize the WTS as being just a rich printing company. He said they can answer that by agreeing it is rich and saying that this is proof that Jah's blessing his chosen organization.

And everyone listening just did the "yup, yup head-nodding in agreement" motion. They don't seem to think that there are other organizations and churches in the world that are rich and have lots of assets too. Why isn't that a sign of Jah's blessing them?

So whether it be "proof of persecution" or "proof of blessing"...they will continue to twist things to fit their agenda. [:?]

Oh well...with all the publicity bringing out the truth of the WTS, at least the average householder is now getting to see the true tarnish under all the glow and glitter.

Had Enough

Edited to try and fix my smilie

Rats....it didn't work

Edited by - Had Enough on 14 August 2002 15:38:8

Edited by - Had Enough on 14 August 2002 15:42:29

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Bowen and Inponderables (Serious)

by comforter in

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comforter will not attempt to judge bowen.

god will judge him in the last day.

but i guess comforter wonders why bowen cares whether he has been df or not.

Had Enough

comforter:

If you would speak to us in a grown-up, mature manner, perhaps you would get more reasonable responses to a valid question than the few you have already received.

I certainly have no desire at all to respond to any of your points or questions when you talk down to us in such a ridiculous manner. Why do you feel it necessary to mask your comments and questions in the guise of an uneducated dimwit? Its just too insulting to even bother to try to discuss this subject with you.

There...I got that off my chest....now I won't have to bother anymore with comforter's threads until I see some improvement in his attitude toward us.

Cudos to those who have braved the grating writing-manner of this"comforter?" and have responded with some fine reasoning.

So what I will enjoy from this thread is the fine cuisine reports some have so graciously printed for us and thumbs-ups for the cutting retorts of many too!!! Thank you for the refreshment!!!!

Had Enough

(Edited to add my "thumbs-ups" remark)

Edited by - Had Enough on 12 August 2002 22:31:24

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Letters to my daughter: PART 1

by witchywoman in

after going back and forth in e-mail with my jw daughter, i got a chance to tell her about the wts` scandal with the un.

me being a mom still wanted to try and make a difference in my daughters life.

so i sent her an e-mail, i talked about every day goings on.

Had Enough

My dear witchywoman:

Your words do a fine job....they expose your heart. Just look at the many responses here that thank you and tell you they were moved to tears. It's refreshing to read your heartfelt expressions and genuine passion in trying to make a difference.

And I'm happy to see so many applauding your courage and determination. I've met some fantastic people here and am thankful everyday for their encouragement this past year and a half. That kind of comradarie has kept me going during so many rough times. I know it will help you too!

Hang in there!

Had Enough

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Letters to my daughter: PART 1

by witchywoman in

after going back and forth in e-mail with my jw daughter, i got a chance to tell her about the wts` scandal with the un.

me being a mom still wanted to try and make a difference in my daughters life.

so i sent her an e-mail, i talked about every day goings on.

Had Enough

((((witchywoman))))

I can truly say I feel the pain in your words to your daughter. Your words of love and regret for the estrangement in your relationship are words I have said to my daughter as well. We mended our relationship soon after my divorce from her father but it was still tough as she carried resentment and lashed out at me many times. We have now had some very open conversations about my divorce, df'ing and reasons for wanting re-instatement so badly and how, no matter what the WTS says I "should" do or not do with my da'd son, I will never turn my back on my children for any reason. I swallowed that bitter pill of "forced humility" to be able to be with my family. My heart aches for you in your concern over your relationship.

My heart aches for ALL who have lost their families due to their stand against the WS.

I feel the frustration of being stuck in limbo, wanting to shout from the rooftops about the hypocrisy of the WTS, but she has expressed panic at the thought of me saying or doing anything that will have the elders hauling me into a committee meeting and "causing her to have to shun me". Like you, I can't be angry with her for that...I only blame myself for having taught her too well. She believes the WTS hook, line and sinker, so it will take time..maybe a long time...to reach her, to open her eyes. I will still continue to "chip away" at the WT foundation wherever and however I can.

I sincerely hope things turn out well for you and your daughter. Families need each other without the interference of cold-hearted men making the rules.

To "smiler": Welcome. I'd like to make a comment on what you said:

if you believe in freedom of choice, her choice should be repected and understood..."

What is all boils down to is that her choice really isn't her own...it's dictated to her by the WTS. The WTS has worded their policies in such a way that most JWs follow them thinking they are making the choice for themselves but really they have no choice BUT to follow them. By this I mean...the WTS will usually NOT say "do this" or "do not do that". Rather the WTS words it as: "a wise and mature Christian would not do such-and-such" or "a true lover of Jehovah will do such-and-such". Where does that leave the average JW?...trying to live up to being a "wise and mature Christian" or a "true lover of Jehovah" by making the choices the WTS has suggested, not wanting to be labelled as weak and immature.

That's what so many here are trying to help JWs see, because many of us on this board have experienced the WTS pressure tactics and now see through it all. "witchywoman's" post will certainly accomplish her mission of trying to be of help and encouragement to others in similar circumstances. That's the mission of many of us here too.

Had Enough

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1989 Letter to BOE

by Kismet in

i am looking for a copy of the 1989 letter to all bodies of elders in canada wherein it discussed the handling of legal matters including a paragraph on handling allegations of child abuse.. i have checked at randy's and kent's sites but could not find the canadian version.

since this is going to be used in a court setting a scanned copy would be best, but we could make due with just the text version.. also rather than re-doing the work someone already may have done, i am looking for a copy of all society articles written on the subject of child abuse.

this interested party has also requested a copy of the pay attention book especially the chapters on forming and handling a judicial committee.. if you have already printed this out or have an extra copy of the 'pay attention' book please let me know at [email protected] and i will provide an address for you to send them.

Had Enough

Hi again Kismet:

Glad to be of whatever help I can. Coffee sounds great!!!....I hope to make it your way again soon. I'll let you know and we'll have a great chat.

That's great you are getting the info you need. How about the WTS articles on child abuse? Do you still need those?

I have the WT'99 CD ROM so that should have all you need up to 1999. I don't have any mags for 2000 onward though.

Let me know and I'll gather them up for you.

Cheers, Had Enough

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CANADIAN COURT CASE ON CHILD ABUSE

by hawkaw in

this is to alert all folks in canada and the united states that a civil court case will be going to trial on september 8, 2002 in the greater toronto area.

again this case is a civil case and not a criminal case.

the case involves one vicki boer who now resides in eastern canada.

Had Enough

bttt....

Just checking again about the date of this case since September 8th is a Sunday....

Thanks, Had Enough